No Snaab,
first of all, I'm not trying - whatever it looks like - to offend you. I'm not saying that you're bad and I'm good. Deal?

Secondly...
Well, I was typing my reply to your previous post - and it was pretty huge one - when I came to 'responsibility' thesis, which intertwines with very popular 'government' and especially 'CRISIS' theses. Shortly afterwards I shrunk it to what you've just read above.

My point - and I'm trying to put it as delicate as I can - is that it is quite unpopular to be responsible these days:
- Whose decision is this?
- Board's.

- Whose fault is this?
- Theirs (the most brave ones can go 'ours' - and they have to be applauded in today's terms).

- Who made this crisis being a reality of nowadays?
- Government! Corporations! The Smoking Man! They did it, not me!

- Who approved that Law?
- Congress. I didn't do that, Congress did.

Oh... really? Be fair (at least with yourself) and say that it was MY decision to take that mortgage credit and it was ME who failed on analyzing MY ability to pay it back and I misunderstood the risks on loosing job and ability to refund money. Or it was ME who approved that $90K credit to that dude with unconfirmed $30K annual income. Or it was ME who failed analyzing market and finally spent that $1M (or $1B, whatever) in vain.

When did you hear anything like that the last time? I only occasionally hear something similar from Japanese, although they also seem to learn responsibility sharing - I'm still missing the news where some TEPCO executive would say that it's his fault on approving 7th Richter scale protection level in the area where 9th level does happen (and tsunami protection was designed to withstand waves up to 6 meters (20ft) high while there happened several 10-20 meters (30-60ft) waves tsunami for the last 100 years)

This (financial, if you like it this way) crisis will never end until we all learn to be responsible for ourselves. GM is just a good example of concentrated irresponsibility.

Zig

P.S.
In short: paying your taxes to GM does not differ too much - for me - from paying your taxes to illegal immigrants who can not and do not want to work.

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• Kodak's going down, Siegfried, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:27:47
  • GM=Number one car company in the world, No Snaab, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 05:59:42
    • VW wants you to wait for the Mann truck sales #s, JohnA , Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:54:30
      • Not my point, No Snaab, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:31:37
        • Re: Not my point, Noel, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:36:29
          • Incorrect economic model, Reality, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:18:55
            • Practical realities..., Noel, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:28:25
              • Practical realities Indeed, Reality, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:00:32
            • Nortel, James, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:03:52
              • Agree on Nortel, Reality, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:20:56
                • Re: Agree on Nortel, James, Sat, 21 Jan 2012 04:23:04
            • +3/4 (n/m), Siegfried, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:32:53
      • ooops....MAN and Scania n/m, JohnA , Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:04:44
    • Did American Airline stop flying, Reality, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:47:05
      • Just a few facts, No Snaab, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:31:42
        • Cost of hiring is much more than paycheck, Reality, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:08:46
          • Wrong again, No Snaab, Sat, 21 Jan 2012 05:50:43
            • BTW, Reality, Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:19:23
            • Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics, Reality, Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:56:04
    • got your point, Siegfried, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:41:01
      • Yes, No Snaab, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:21:14
        • ok, Siegfried, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:27:11
          • Re: ok, No Snaab, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:43:55
            • Re:, Siegfried, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:50:20 <-- Viewing This Message
  • WAR, AdamSAAB2kAero , Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:58:46
    • you had plenty recently, Siegfried, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:53:47
      • U2BC, please skip ^THAT^ !!! (n/m), Siegfried, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 05:01:44
    • Wrong on every account, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:53:38
      • Re: Wrong on every account, dtech, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:50:52
      • Much more to Kodak than cameras and film, Noel, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:30:21
        • don't forget Xerox, Trev, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:47:19
          • Get up to date on Xerox, Noel, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:06:23
        • Yup, typical life story of a Successful corporation, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:20:06
          • Funny you mention Polaroid..., Noel, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:42:11
            • Yup, compared to Polaroid, Kodak's decay, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:34:46
      • Re: Wrong on every account, James, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:16:21
        • Kodak did not bet against digital, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:23:18
          • Re: Kodak did not bet against digital, James, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:37:05
      • Not so very wrong, IMO, 50N40W, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:03:33
        • Exactly backwards, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:18:07
          • BTW, that's exactly what French did in their Aviation, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:33:50
            • Write to your Congressman, AdamSAAB2kAero , Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:44:26
          • Re: Exactly backwards, AdamSAAB2kAero , Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:31:43
            • Re: Exactly backwards, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:48:19
              • Kodak had limited leadership in digital photography, Noel, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:53:09
                • Kodak owned what made digital photography Digital, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:01:47
                  • that would have been good advice!, James, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:44:22
                    • It was even better back then, Reality, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:48:51
                  • You'll be interested in this..., Noel, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:53:05
                    • Re: You'll be interested in this..., Reality, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:21:36
              • Re: Exactly backwards, AdamSAAB2kAero , Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:04:20
                • What happened to the "defense necessity" argument?, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:26:40
                  • Re: What happened to the "defense necessity" argument?, 50N40W, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 18:03:02
                    • Then how does your "Santraginous 5" theory, Reality, Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:18:11
                      • Re: Then how does your "Santraginous 5" theory, kkelley, Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:23:41
                        • effect on location, James, Sat, 21 Jan 2012 04:31:06
                          • wrt saab, James, Sat, 21 Jan 2012 04:37:32

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