Thankyou, Coolknight. Very seldom do people advertise their ignorance so openly.

The jist of your contention is that Europe is not serious about reducing CO emissions- totally untrue, there is not a grain of evidence to support this. Europe has consistently been a leader in reducing hydrocarbon emissions. The clean gasoline regulations that are just coming into effect now in the US are piggybacked off Euro regs that have been in place for some time. Euro standards for clean diesel fuels are also way ahead of the US- their diesel fuel has 90% reduction in sulfur content vs US diesel. Clean diesel is coming to the US, but like gasoline, it will be years behind EU standards. The sulfur is not only a contributor to acid rain, but it is responsible for poisoning cat converters.

The European approach of taxing emissions has been proven effective. You cannot legislate high mpg vehicles out of existence- witness the appearance the SUV as a "light truck" in the US. Not only are Euro operated gas and diesel vehicles fuel efficient by US standards, they are a decade ahead of the US in the use of low emission electric-gasoline hybrids. Why do you think the Japanese are ahead of Detroit in fuel efficient gasoline technology and electric-gasoline vehicles? Because of Euro demand! Besides, why should Europe eliminate gas guzzlers that are exported to the US? It's our business to regulate mpg in the US, not the EU's.

Europe is not the only supporter of Kyoto, as it happens. The US is behaving like a renegade in not ratifying the treaty. When there is only one major industrialized nation that does NOT support the treaty, you have look at what is driving the one opponent.

George Bush has only one agenda- to promote the US Oil and Gas industry. It is his objective to protect their (his) interests, the environment be damned, global harmony be damned. George W. has gone so far to publicly state that SUVs do not contribute to the high rate of gasoline consumption and gas prices in the US. Any takers on that theory?

• The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, Coolknight, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:54:13
  • Diesel has a great future, Pieter M. Kuipers, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:37:18
    • absolutely!, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:46:44
  • dirty diesel engines you say?, Dean, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:40:12
    • US diesel fuel IS heating oil; one is just dyed for taxation., jp, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:02:38
      • That's #2 diesel., Dave Westlake, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:51:05
    • Because he's seen a swiss report, AdamB , Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:50:29
      • Re: Because he's seen a swiss report, Dean, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:54:00
      • Swiss, Austrian, and French report, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:33:04
  • CO2 reduction YES, Hi fuel TAXES NO!, Coolknight, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 05:06:34
    • whatever it takes, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:21:47
    • Corr. CO2 reduction YES, Higher fuel TAXES NO!, Coolknight, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:03:10
  • who ya gonna believe, CK?, John A,, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:40:45
  • a different perspective, Jo K, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:09:12
    • been following the polls? (nm), John A., Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:44:57
      • You'll need to elaborate I'm afraid. nt, Jo K, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:15:18
        • Re: You'll need to elaborate I'm afraid. nt, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:00:18
          • Ah, I see, Jo K, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:10:36
  • Re: The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, Eli5, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:35:51
    • you must not be reading them all... ;) n/m, chrisx, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:30:24
  • Re: The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, Sjer, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:08:20 <-- Viewing This Message
    • Japan's end game, John A., Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:48:00
    • Re: The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, julz, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:25:13
    • Re: How many european coutries have ratified the treaty?n/m, jack b, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:15:40
      • One. The treaty isn't due for ratification 'till 2002 (nm), John A,, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:52:59
      • I believe that the EU has ratified the treaty., tlrm, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:24:11
        • Re: I believe that the EU has ratified the treaty., Jo K, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:10:54
  • Global Warming a hoax, Dave, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:00:42
    • temp measurement devices (long), saabaru, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:30:54
      • this helps, thanks, John A., Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:16:56
    • LOL Now that is a blatant disregard of the truth...., AdamB , Wed, 4 Jul 2001 05:26:39
      • blame Canada, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:04:27
    • Re: Global Warming a hoax, David Hanley, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:14:06
      • ExxonMobil wants YOU to believe it's a hoax, John A,, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:51:36
  • Re: The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, julz, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:20:44
    • Woo Hoo WHAT fun, julz, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:02:45
    • sorry, the "science" behind global warming is very iffy..., MJM , Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:51:12
      • 25 Years ago some were perdicting an ice age n/m, Ron H, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:02:00
      • evolution, David R, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:43:59
      • Re: sorry, the "science" behind global warming is very iffy..., David Hanley, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:21:48
        • Re: sorry, the "science" behind global warming is very iffy..., julz, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:30:09
      • There is a thing called the "protective principal":, tlrm, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:33:52
        • "protective principal": -excellent point, John A, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:00:12
        • Re: There is a thing called the "protective principal":, MJM , Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:20:27
          • Nuclear power is a French thang, not EU level policy., tlrm, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:31:35
      • Re: sorry, the "science" behind global warming is very iffy..., chrisx, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:24:23
        • understanding an effect is _very_ different from understanding, MJM , Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:24:04
          • sorry, I for one, do not believe you (nm), John A., Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:55:09
          • sure...if you are pre-human it makes sense....zog LIKE fire. n/m, chrisx, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:29:14
            • that right. Zog do 'nother experiment showing square stick burn,, saabaru, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:04:17
              • Re: that right. Zog do 'nother experiment showing square stick burn,, MJM , Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:46:30
              • right you are again, John A., Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:28:08

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