Oh, man. Has MJM read anything on this? You'd think that one person stuck a thermometer in the ocean once and came up with this global warming idea. Decades of work, by huge numbers of people, with continual refinement of climactic models. Boatloads of data. So far, I've not seen intelligent rebuttal, which in my mind means rebuttal which accounts for the data so far collected, or provides new data which support a different model of climactic change.

If technology had developed in the way that some are debating this issue, we wouldn't even be riding horses, much less driving Saabs.

I'm not saying that I'm of the opinion that the current climactic models are complete. They never will be. It's a process of continual refinement. But we must work with the understanding we have, with the current refinement of our model.

With global warming, the recommendations are that we reduce our consumption of fossil fuels. It is the best treatment we know at this point, based on our current understanding of the "disease", but it's not like it's a bad idea anyway. Fossil fuel supplies will dwindle drastically within this century, so when are we planning to make the switch, to develop adequate non-fossil fuel technologies?

BTW, it's interesting to think that the technological evolution of a culture probably requires the use of the fossil fuel sources on their planet, to make possible the transition to more sophisticated power sources. We need to view both our dependence upon and transition away from fossil fuels as a necessary step in the evolution of our technologies.

• The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, Coolknight, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:54:13
  • Diesel has a great future, Pieter M. Kuipers, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:37:18
    • absolutely!, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:46:44
  • dirty diesel engines you say?, Dean, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:40:12
    • US diesel fuel IS heating oil; one is just dyed for taxation., jp, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:02:38
      • That's #2 diesel., Dave Westlake, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:51:05
    • Because he's seen a swiss report, AdamB , Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:50:29
      • Re: Because he's seen a swiss report, Dean, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:54:00
      • Swiss, Austrian, and French report, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:33:04
  • CO2 reduction YES, Hi fuel TAXES NO!, Coolknight, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 05:06:34
    • whatever it takes, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:21:47
    • Corr. CO2 reduction YES, Higher fuel TAXES NO!, Coolknight, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:03:10
  • who ya gonna believe, CK?, John A,, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:40:45
  • a different perspective, Jo K, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:09:12
    • been following the polls? (nm), John A., Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:44:57
      • You'll need to elaborate I'm afraid. nt, Jo K, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:15:18
        • Re: You'll need to elaborate I'm afraid. nt, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:00:18
          • Ah, I see, Jo K, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:10:36
  • Re: The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, Eli5, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:35:51
    • you must not be reading them all... ;) n/m, chrisx, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:30:24
  • Re: The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, Sjer, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:08:20
    • Japan's end game, John A., Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:48:00
    • Re: The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, julz, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:25:13
    • Re: How many european coutries have ratified the treaty?n/m, jack b, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:15:40
      • One. The treaty isn't due for ratification 'till 2002 (nm), John A,, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:52:59
      • I believe that the EU has ratified the treaty., tlrm, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:24:11
        • Re: I believe that the EU has ratified the treaty., Jo K, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:10:54
  • Global Warming a hoax, Dave, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:00:42
    • temp measurement devices (long), saabaru, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:30:54
      • this helps, thanks, John A., Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:16:56
    • LOL Now that is a blatant disregard of the truth...., AdamB , Wed, 4 Jul 2001 05:26:39
      • blame Canada, John A., Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:04:27
    • Re: Global Warming a hoax, David Hanley, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:14:06
      • ExxonMobil wants YOU to believe it's a hoax, John A,, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:51:36
  • Re: The Kyoto CO2 Rip-Off, julz, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:20:44
    • Woo Hoo WHAT fun, julz, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:02:45
    • sorry, the "science" behind global warming is very iffy..., MJM , Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:51:12
      • 25 Years ago some were perdicting an ice age n/m, Ron H, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:02:00
      • evolution, David R, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 06:43:59
      • Re: sorry, the "science" behind global warming is very iffy..., David Hanley, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:21:48
        • Re: sorry, the "science" behind global warming is very iffy..., julz, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:30:09
      • There is a thing called the "protective principal":, tlrm, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:33:52
        • "protective principal": -excellent point, John A, Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:00:12
        • Re: There is a thing called the "protective principal":, MJM , Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:20:27
          • Nuclear power is a French thang, not EU level policy., tlrm, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:31:35
      • Re: sorry, the "science" behind global warming is very iffy..., chrisx, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:24:23
        • understanding an effect is _very_ different from understanding, MJM , Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:24:04
          • sorry, I for one, do not believe you (nm), John A., Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:55:09
          • sure...if you are pre-human it makes sense....zog LIKE fire. n/m, chrisx, Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:29:14
            • that right. Zog do 'nother experiment showing square stick burn,, saabaru, Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:04:17 <-- Viewing This Message
              • Re: that right. Zog do 'nother experiment showing square stick burn,, MJM , Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:46:30
              • right you are again, John A., Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:28:08

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