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Well, OK, but my point is more that
Posted by Noel

(# 876) (more from Noel) on Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:11:15
In Reply to: really bad?, Siegfried, Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:06:11

in either case, a design that makes cars hard to work on the result of not taking into account how a car is serviced. This just seems shortsighted to me.

I know not everything can be done in a way that makes servicing easy or simple, but a little thought would go a long way. In the case of the Audi/VW, why a belt instead of a chain? Why put the t-stat in a place that requires a lot of labor to change a $15 part?

Every car has examples of this kind of thing. It just seems that engineering is out of touch with the service and repair side of the business.

Posts in this Thread:

Volkswagen/Audi timing belt change? $1200? Crazy!, Brian, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:12:38
- Removing front end is often very easy., dmz789qqq, Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:55:21
  - the 1st sound point! (n/m), Siegfried, Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:28:23
- Not that bad..., Larry West , Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:50:10
- Re: Volkswagen/Audi timing belt change? $1200? Crazy!, William, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:38:05
  - RE: Ahhh the days of the OLD Beetle., Noel , Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:12:04
    - 5 second belt job on a Beetle, B Millar , Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:03:41
      - Wow! This is really cool! (-), vvk, Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:47:47
- Crazy?! How 'bout 1400-1800 per for a PT-Cruiser? Or..., Acubra, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:16:59
- So, what did you get done and what parts used?, Bill Homer, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:58:47
  - Re: Revised estimate was $1400. Used Graf Water Pump., Brian, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:02:38
    - Re: Revised estimate was $1400. Used Graf Water Pump., Bill Homer, Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:46:07
    - "I would never have bought the car if I knew that", James, Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:43:29
    - Really poor engineering ..., JMF , Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:32:22
- The death of DIY?, No Snaab , Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:32:54
  - try this question the next time you'll look 4 a new car, Siegfried, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:57:58
    - 2 types of buyers., James, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:16:00
      - third type, DE, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:51:06
        Re: third type, James, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:48:40
      - And..., Noel , Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:48:51
    - Re: try this question the next time you'll look 4 a new car, Justin VanAbrahams, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:14:20
      - Re: try this question the next time you'll look 4 a new car, dtech, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:46:15
      - I did, No Snaab , Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:25:16
      - Minimal service is a virtue, Noel , Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:40:58
        "No maintenance" is not the rule on Japanese cars, Bill Homer, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:08:16
  - not dead, just more sophisticated..., James, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:49:22
  - Re: The death of DIY?, TML, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:21:12
- Re: Volkswagen/Audi timing belt change? $1200? Crazy!, SWEDECAR , Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:25:28
- Re: Volkswagen/Audi thermostat change = $1200!, Bill Homer, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:24:15
  - Cover up the grille!!!, Mark from Toronto, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:37:03
    - If I was the only driver, would probably do so, Bill Homer, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:28:43
      - If you set it up right...., Mark from Toronto, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:05:13
        try chain-driven jalousie from 92-96's! :) (n/m), Siegfried, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:47:20
  - Re: Volkswagen/Audi thermostat change = $1200!, nwas, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:11:23
    - Thermostats usually last through the warrantly period, Bill Homer, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:33:32
- Yup, unfortunately $1200 sounds competitive., nateh89spg , Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:40:53
  - Re: Yup, unfortunately $1200 sounds competitive., Son of Saab, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:38:40
    - So, it looks like ~ half for the far east, nateh89spg , Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:48:42
  - Honda, jeff in MD , Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:30:06
  - Re:VW/Audi plastic water pump impellar?, Brian, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:15:29
    - No thermostat? Disagree on plastic WP impeller, Bill Homer, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:53:31
      - Just replaced plastic impeller WP in 03 VW........, Skip, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:39:24
        Which coolant? Change interval?, Bill Homer, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:32:46
      - Re: Graf Water pump with metal impeller was qouted?, Brian, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:54:44
        Re: Graf Water pump - Just say "NO!", Bill Homer, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:07:54
- Re: Crazy!, Noel , Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:17:02
  - Re: VW/Audi dealer in CT $2500 + for T-Belt., Brian, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:36:34
    - ehh... So what's wrong with it?, Siegfried, Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:11:48
      - What's wrong is bad design, Noel , Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:31:51
        really bad?, Siegfried, Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:06:11
        Well, OK, but my point is more that, Noel , Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:11:15
        will you believe me if..., Siegfried, Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:14:17
        Re: will you believe me if..., TML, Thu, 1 Dec 2011 05:07:27
        Unfortunately, my VAG thermostat is dead at 56,000 mile, Bill Homer, Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:41:06
        Re: sorry, Siegfried, Thu, 1 Dec 2011 03:46:14
    - Re: VW/Audi dealer in CT $2500 + for T-Belt., bic, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:18:15
    - I was clearly misinformed!, Noel , Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:55:32
      - Re: I was clearly misinformed!, No Snaab , Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:02:04
        Most likely the A/C evaporator or heater core failed, Bill Homer, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:11:59
        Re: Most likely the A/C evaporator or heater core failed, No Snaab , Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:35:29
        Mid '90s Audis had serially defective A/C evaporators, Bill Homer, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:36:17
        '00/'01 nm, No Snaab , Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:53:05
        OK, but compare it to a 9-5., Noel , Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:25:23
        Re: OK, but compare it to a 9-5., No Snaab , Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:51:39
        Complexity and the learning curve, Noel , Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:15:23
    - That is unfortunate., Mike Johnson, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:21:37
    - Makes the ng900/9-3 PS line seem like a good idea, nwas, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:09:54
    - Holy crap!, Skip, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:49:53
      - Re: Holy crap!, smt, Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:13:45

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