is more a function of gearing. The fact that on the highway at cruising speed the engine is at near idle rpm means it'll turn in great gas mileage.
Of course without the low end performance the car could never handle that.

I want a C5 or C6 vette, but for now I'll take my trusty b234r with plans for a group 9 clutch and stage 4 ecu after tax time.

400+HP on stock internals is impressive.

Not as good as nissans' sr20det (500 or so stock internals) or the 2jz supra motors that IIRC hit 7-800hp stock bottom end.

Those kinda #'s are just dumb in FWD, so I think 300hp is good with 400hp being overkill. Now if I would just put a b234R in a nissan 240sx, then I'd try to see just what I could wring out of it.

in conclusion, reliability is how I would vote,
My 2 Saab's were just as reliable as my families 4 toyota's (though little electrical stuff started going after 300K on my 900T) so Saab's get a vote.
Honda and Toyota also deserve a vote.


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• Who makes the best engines?, J, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:13:25
  • Best bang for the buck........, mcnasty, Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:40:02
  • Re: Rolls Royce?, t_mokes, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:02:21
  • How does it compare to who makes the most?, Mike Lynch , Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:48:12
  • What?!? No vote for the Hemi?, J, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:30:32
    • Dude!, Eiron, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:46:00
      • Work is great. Social is not so good, though ..., J, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:04:51
  • Pow Pow Powerwheels, TheKillerPenguin, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:15:23
  • Re: Who makes the best engines?, Spiros Trianta, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:07:25
    • Why aren't there turbine motors for street use?, Brian_in_MA, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:30:53
      • Cost, cost, and, well, cost, Ari , Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:56:10
        • thermal efficiency, too, JimBlake , Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:52
          • Talk about lack of low end torque!...., Mike Lynch , Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:43:37
            • Re: Talk about lack of low end torque!...., JimBlake , Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:25:41
              • Electrics, max torque at zero....., Mike Lynch , Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:17:03
                • Re: Electrics, max torque at zero....., Spiros Trianta, Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:32:05
  • What about the GM LSx series, Steve88SiS, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:49:28
    • mileage, matt 94 aero, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:02:41 <-- Viewing This Message
  • Re: Who makes the best engines?, Steve in Chicago, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:15:26
  • Re: Who makes the best engines?, danny1940, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:44:31
  • Nissan Twin Turbo inline-6 ;) (skyline) NM, Trev, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:43:46
  • Depends on how you define "best.", Noel, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:28:00
  • GM's 3800 is my favorite..., jimtimkim, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:51:16
    • It is blown..., bazil burns, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:50:52
      • I had one, (sort of), Finch, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:26:20
        • Well, it is a 60's design IIRC..., bazil burns, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:41:46
  • Re: Who makes the best engines?, Dean, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:49:53
  • Re: Who makes the best engines?, yeppie, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:45:07
  • Re: Who makes the best engines?, GM, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:24:04
    • the RPM for peak torque is what matters, compaqted, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:29:37
    • misconception, jeff, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:42:42
      • torque is still a lousy metric, nt moore, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:51:35
        • you need both, jeff, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:00:29
        • Passat TDI, nt moore, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:00:15
      • Re: misconception, GM, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:04:30
        • I drove a WRX..., Bob M, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:59:00
  • Saab, of course n/m, code08, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:06
  • Honda, jeff, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:16:56
    • Second Honda, Pat Hurley, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:13:01
      • Re: Third Honda, Aero'ed, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:28:40
  • Not that any of us will ever be able to afford it ..., Urby, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:13:59
    • Rotary engines are great,, Finch, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:35:54
      • Good point about the oil--, Urby, Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:42:30
    • Rotaries (Wankels) are not that new, been around since, Red Rocket, Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:02

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