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chemistry and series convergence Posted by James [Email] (more from James) on Mon, 2 May 2011 08:52:36

In Reply to: Re: Some basic facts, Reality, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:06:29 Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

a couple things I've noted through this thread...

that there might be more hydrogen + carbon on the planet to burn than oxygen to oxidize it doesn't mean there is enough available in a (chemical) form that is useful and/or cost effective to use. Aside from other characteristics already discussed, gasoline has a pretty good energy density for transportation use (wood powered steam car anyone ;-)...

So oil's a pretty convenient form of hydrogen + carbon... I'm not sure the level of discovery these days vs historic values, but finding oil is more founded in science now than it was 100 years ago + geologists can probably make better estimations re what is reasonably accessible/cost effective going forward... if the finds these days are smaller or less economically viable, there may be a series convergence to some number other than infinity ;-)... at least in practical terms...

that said, in general, I agree with some other comments you've made in this thread: we aren't too likely to run out of oil... why? we'll just stop drilling for it when it gets too expensive + other energy sources become relatively less expensive (and are made practical instead of fringe)... that may come as a result of spiraling oil prices passing other fixed expense options, or it may come as a decrease in cost of other technologies (probably both)...

as noted earlier, energy density is the most important factor... in reality, the energy we use comes from the sun one way or another... it's the collection + storage technology that we need to sort out (whether it is a chemical process, nuclear, solid state, whatever)... all that matters is suitable energy density to move vehicle from A to B with some performance spec... burning old plant + animal carcasses from eons ago is kinda old fashioned, but it works (for now)... to answer no snaab's "question", I don't think higher gas prices are a huge foe in the long term as it stimulates new (and hopefully better) technology + industry...

James...

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High gas prices, friend or foe?, No Snaab, Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:43:22
- make adjustments to your lifestyle, Railhead , Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:53:55
  - cost of change/return on investment, Les_H, Sun, 1 May 2011 07:45:40
    - gas not yet expensive enough for people to change, Les_H, Sun, 1 May 2011 07:52:34
      - You nailed it, Les., Noel, Mon, 2 May 2011 06:18:50
- Re: Acceptable milage, American vs European, BobS, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:43:37
  - Europeans have a different infrastructure, Noel, Sun, 1 May 2011 06:39:47
- Put a frog in boiling water..., Ken , Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:11:07
  - Re: Put a frog in boiling water..., Reality, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:25:53
  - Jeremiah was a bullfrog, No Snaab, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:16:21
    - Re: Jeremiah was a bullfrog, Mike B, Sun, 1 May 2011 09:07:00
      - Not to mention, No Snaab, Sun, 1 May 2011 13:52:03
        And they'd pump it for you and, No Snaab, Sun, 1 May 2011 13:53:40
- Long term or short term?, Noel, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:36:04
- Losing an arm or leg, friend or foe?, Reality, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 01:30:39
  - Re: Losing an arm or leg, friend or foe?, TML , Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:06:04
    - Some basic facts, Reality, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 07:50:35
      - Re: Some basic facts, TML , Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:34:41
        Re: Some basic facts, Reality, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:06:29
        chemistry and series convergence, James, Mon, 2 May 2011 08:52:36 <-- Viewing This Message
        Real Science vs. Pseudoscientific Pretense of Knowledge, Reality, Mon, 2 May 2011 13:36:20
        Tim (aka Reality) specializes in vague bits of nothing, Noel, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:29:14
        Instead of personal attacks, Reality, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:07:41
      - but,, kurt, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:37:13
        Re: but,, Reality, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:17:17
- Re: High gas prices, friend or foe?, Mark from Toronto, Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:56:09
  - Re: High gas prices, friend ...?, AlS, Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:29:58
    - Everything not to like, Reality, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:16:38
    - I agree 100%, Mike Johnson, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 07:29:24
    - Re: High gas prices, friend ...?, EGD , Sat, 30 Apr 2011 04:28:11
      - Re: High gas prices, friend ...?, George K, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:26:26
        How about...., Noel, Sun, 1 May 2011 06:58:44
        Why stop at 4-cyl, Reality, Sun, 1 May 2011 18:39:22
        I agree, No Snaab, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:29:02
        Re: High gas prices, friend ...?, Kkelley, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:19:17
        Some great points, Ryan H, Sun, 1 May 2011 03:06:44
        Re: High gas prices, friend ...?, Reality, Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:44:18
        Re: High gas prices, friend ...?, George K, Sun, 1 May 2011 07:13:50
        Re: High gas prices, friend ...?, Reality, Sun, 1 May 2011 18:34:50
        Bigger is better won't go away!, Noel, Sun, 1 May 2011 15:02:54
        Re: Bigger is better won't go away!, kkelley, Sun, 1 May 2011 18:01:21

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