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I had to chuckle a bit over your first point here, because a good % of the time we go back and forth and I'm just as bad about always having the last word... so that might be partly why you're shooting 50%... ;-)
I wouldn't say Noel's comments constitute an ad hominem response so much as a comment thanking AeroEd (who's comments may be divergent, but not ad hominem)... sure it's all tangential, but in most of these, the content starts to repeat after a while so it devolves anyway... I think that was the point Noel was making. Imho, Noel is a great source of real content on this site, and I don't blame him for being put off by an unending repeating discussion... I try to get less involved in these now in part for that reason (I don't want to put people off), and in part because typing many responses wastes a bit of time...
as to the prius vs volt thing... I dunno... for me, neither do much. I liked what Saab was doing with the hybrids. I think the main advantage of going electric in some capacity should be simplicity, and if the end product isn't better, then why? Both of those models are not really cars I would like to drive. Something like the Volvo recharge concept: AWD, no transmission, no motor under the hood = more space for batteries + less weight... sounds interesting to me. whether practical or not? sure, that's a valid debating point, but I think EV's will get interesting when there is some real shakeup - some real disruptive tech... that looked like an interesting slant. the simplicity of the saab through the road hybrid vert (and recent exwd stuff with american axle) also was appealing. ultimately, if the car is not a real car, and drives like a car ought to (or better - I like flat torque curves, an electric motor could be better than a turbo!), well, until then, I'm not too interested... government subsidies or not...
Posts in this Thread:
- GM to build Cadillac ELR in Detroit, JohnA , Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:41:22
- Fourth Badge Engineered Volt, MI-Roger , Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:24:39
- Re: Fourth Badge Engineered Volt, No Snaab, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:59:08
- Currency rates explain, poop deck pappy , Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:27:26
- Yes, all from Dee-troit (n/m), MI-Roger , Thu, 18 Oct 2012 03:41:08
- I'm curious, No Snaab, Thu, 18 Oct 2012 04:14:23
- More like $20/gallon in order to justify a plug-in, Tim, Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:10:14
- 20 miles? 200 work days? Bending facts?, dmz789qqq, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 06:47:22
- Charging at work? 250 commute days/yr? EPA God Says?, Tim, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:06:54
- Give yourself a favor - read the definition of MPGe., dmz789qqq, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:06:19
- If it was any good..., JerseySaab , Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:00:58
- Oh please..., Craig, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:28:12
- Re: Oh please..., Tim, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:56:07
- Re: Oh please..., Craig, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:53:23
- Re: Oh please..., Tim, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:31:35
- Re: Oh please..., Craig, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:16:40
- What are you talking about?, Tim, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:37:49
- Re: What are you talking about?, JerseySaab , Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:01:32
- Please stop feeding the troll!, Noel, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:29:44
- Ah, didn't see this was the same douche as 'reality' nm, Craig, Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:25:35
- I can't believe you actually wrote PEEING CONTEST, Tim, Sat, 20 Oct 2012 05:28:07
- Actually, I would have said "pissing contest", AeroEd, Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:59:58
- Factual Error, Tim, Sun, 21 Oct 2012 14:14:29
- ha ha, AeroEd, Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:35:28
- ha!, Snowmobile , Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:19:29 <-- Viewing This Message
- Thanks, Ed! Saved me from making, Noel, Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:19:55
- Did you actually write, Tim, Sat, 20 Oct 2012 05:20:40
- Oh please indeed..., JerseySaab , Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:46:40
- Same people probably didn't want to give up horses..., Craig, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:47:47
- Exactly: The future is going to be different, Noel, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:35:21
- Volt vs. Prius is like Steam Car vs. Internal Combustio, Tim, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:11:05
- Not horses, but practicality and economics, JerseySaab , Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:05:57
- Then you agree that mpgE is not MPG!, Tim, Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:40:12
- Re: I'm curious, Noel, Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:38:03
- Re: Fourth Badge Engineered Volt, Simon S, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:14:50
- Third (n/m), Siegfried, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:01:41
- +1. nm, Simon S, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:15:51
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