I find it most disturbing that the B235r wouldn't handle 45 extra hp. It comes stock in the Aero with 250, and most people that have had them Dyno'ed have found them to be even higher. It's hard to believe that it wouldn't handle a simple 18% increase in performance. I don't think Steve feels like Saab is responsible for what he did, but I can totally understand is extreme disappointment for the lack of quality on there part regardless. They *did* have piston problems with that engine due to knocking that *was* addressed by Saab. Steve bought the car second hand, and let's face it, there are a lot of cheap SOB's that will buy a $30k + car and refuse to pay a dollar or 2 more for a tank of gas.(makes me wanna puke) The early T-7 system was noted for having problems reducing boost when encountering low octane (a.k.a. shit-gas). Saab should at least investigate this phenom a little bit more. Let's just say that the Saab rep did see this board; Steve put the best known parts and software on his car. The engine should have easily been able to handle those mods. (It's not like he was using Abbutt S/W or a cheap boost controller or something) Makes me wonder about the light weight b235. It may be more fuel efficient, but it shouldn't be a trade off in quality.

I can understand Steve's frustration with Saab's lack of empathy,(and quality) despite his own knowing of what he did to tune the car. Let's now say that they(SAAB) haven't seen this board, and Steve did have the stock computer in there. The response he was given is now total crap. If I had a stock Viggen, and this happened, and I hadn't modified it, and they said it overboosted and weren't gonna warranty the car? I would be hot enough to.....well, God only knows.

Sorry again Steve. I think I can speak for all of us in saying that we would all like to see this work out for you, and we all want to see the viggen scream back better than ever with even more power than before! Let us know if we can help.

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• Saab's not gonna cover it!!, Steve88SiS, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:57:16
  • Maybe I should get a rwd V8 car w/ a blower - nah!!, Steve88SiS, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:48:04
    • come on steve...go all out!!, nickR, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:45:29
      • It will be interesting, but my car will be ......, KevinY, Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:39:51
        • Re: It will be interesting, but my car will be ......, TERRY, Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:01:15
  • I would negotiate, davenew, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:35:00
    • Boost was 18psi a/f ratio was good, Steve88SiS, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:45:07
      • Re: Boost was 18psi a/f ratio was good, Brad, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:52:43
        • torque limit, davenew, Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:36:52
  • My Viggen story, Philip HS, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:38:44
    • 2004 viggen?, nickR, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:25:10
      • Re: 2004 viggen?, AdamB , Sat, 17 Apr 2004 03:25:42
      • more on forged pistons, nickR, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:29:19
        • Re: more on forged pistons, Philip HS, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:08:23
  • Re: Saab's not gonna cover it!!, serendipity, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:47:15
  • I should keep my thoughts to my self but, Brad, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:02:11
    • More things I should not say, Brad, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:21:30
      • Re: More things I should not say, TERRY, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:57:48
      • Re: More things I should not say, Dean, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:33:04
        • Re: More things I should not say, Brad, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:01:11
          • Dean, I posted some info about my IC experiences, Vigge, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:50:14
          • Re: More things I should not say, jak , Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:40:47
    • dont blame SQR, nickR, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:37:01
    • Most ecu tuner do cover the cost, ckpaden, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:02:05
      • Chipcenter offers gaurantee, nickR, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:34:31
    • I'm not buying SQR..., DaveD, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:56:49
      • I just had it on a dyno & A/F was 12:1 to redline, Steve88SiS, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:35:20
      • I met frank & watched while....., jak , Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:38:22
      • SQR is awesome, period., TERRY, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:00:02
        • Some clarification, Vigge, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:43:50
          • Re: Some clarification, TERRY, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:22:26
            • Re: Some clarification, Vigge, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:20:09
              • Re: Some clarification, TERRY, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:02:44
                • Re: Some clarification, Vigge, Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:25:55
      • Re: I'm not buying SQR..., ckpaden, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:03:56
        • Re: I'm not buying SQR..., ed smith, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:27:20
  • You haven't asked, but I have to disagree with your, MichaelG, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:30:51
    • SAAB does watch these BBs..., WASSAAB, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:09:40
      • Re: SAAB does watch these BBs..., Harpua, Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:31:09
        • Harpua, who is that?? Funny regardless. :o) n/m, TERRY, Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:15:59
          • Re: Harpua, who is that?? Funny regardless. :o) n/m, Harpua, Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:23:44
    • Re: You haven't asked, but I have to disagree with your, john, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:46:45
  • Arbitration?, ckpaden, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:19:40
    • careful here...., MichaelG, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:33:17
      • Eagle talon, ckpaden, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:58:20
  • Re: Saab's not gonna cover it!!, steve, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:47:36
    • I understand Steve's frustration.....(longish), TERRY, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:34:00 <-- Viewing This Message
      • You're assuming that there wasn't a glitch, AdamB , Fri, 16 Apr 2004 02:42:52
        • Re: You're assuming that there wasn't a glitch, TERRY, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:09:02
        • Re: You're assuming that there wasn't a glitch, Vigge, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 05:27:34
          • I stand corrected, AdamB , Sat, 17 Apr 2004 03:14:00
          • GOOD PIC !!!!!This is EXACTLY what I was talking about!, TERRY, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:48:36
          • Re: You're assuming that there wasn't a glitch, BrianS, Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:18:47
      • come to think of it, steveC, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:18:43
  • Re: Saab's not gonna cover it!!, TERRY, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:39:09
  • that too bad:-(...however, steveC, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:34:07
  • I feel for you, nickR, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:05:34
    • ...that was "financial" damage I was referring to, nickR, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:06:34
  • Not to rub salt in your wound..., AdamB , Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:44:57
  • sorry to hear the bad news, but I wouldn't blame Saab, Chad B, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:20:19
    • Re: sorry to hear the bad news, but I wouldn't blame Saab, ed smith, Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:24:32

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