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Devil's Advocate: "Something like a $45,000 Cruze"
Posted by Bill Homer [Email] (more from Bill Homer) on Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:27:31
In Reply to: What I don't get is why people here hate the Volt, Noel, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:30:46
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List price for a Chevy Volt is around $45,000 and it looks a lot like a Chevy Cruze. For $45,000 (or even a discounted lower price), one can buy a very nice luxury car with a conventional drive train.
Yes, I understand that the Volt has some cool new technology, but so did the Prius when it first came out - and Toyota did not charge $45,000 for the Prius. I'm sure that Chevy charged a premium for the then-new technology of the small block V8 (originally 265 cubic inch, later enlarged) when it first appeared in 1954, but I doubt that it doubled the price of the car and they did manage to amortize the cost of this milestone development over the next several decades and millions of units produced.
Payback time for the increased gas mileage is big mystery. As an example (from Wikipedia):
"According to Edmunds.com, the price premium paid for the Volt, after discounting the US$7,500 U.S. federal tax credit, takes a long time for consumers to recover in fuel savings, often longer than the normal ownership time period. Edmunds compared the Volt (priced at US$31,712) with the same-size gasoline-powered Chevrolet Cruze (priced at US$19,656) and found that the payback period for the plug-in hybrid is 15 years for gasoline prices at US$3 per gallon, 12 years at US$4 per gallon, and drops to 9 years with gasoline prices at US$5 per gallon. At February 2012 prices, the break even period is 14 years. These estimates assume an average of 15,000 miles (24,000 km) annual driving and vehicle prices correspond to Edmunds.com's true market value estimates."
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Posts in this Thread:
- Chevy Volt outsells half of all US cars., JohnA
, Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:30:10- Why gasoline wins, JohnA
, Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:29:35 - Front half or back half? n/m, Cmyles
, Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:01:00 - Domestic electricity vs. imported oil., dmz789qqq, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 03:49:03
- By that logic, a sledge hammer can really add value, Tim, Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:00:08
- Re: Domestic electricity vs. imported oil., Ben, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:19:41
- By that logic, a sledge hammer can really add value, Reality, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:29:43
- I pity you ..., dmz789qqq, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:54:17
- You don't want to be confused by facts, Tim, Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:01:13
- You don't want to be confused by facts, Reality, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:57
- Here's a fact for you, Volt is cheaper than the Prius, No Snaab, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 04:54:38
- Uh oh! Tim and Reality are sharing identities again!, Noel, Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:26:01
- Someone is pretending to be Tim and copying my posts, Reality, Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:19:03
- actually, they DO have authorization, Tim, Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:26:51
- Re: actually, they DO have authorization, TML
, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:02:59 - There, Ridiculous has committed Identity Theft, Tim, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:05:33
- Re: There, Ridiculous has committed Identity Theft, Scott Paterson
, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:01:34 - Identity, uniqueness, freewill, etc..., Snowmobile
, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:45:45
- Re: Domestic electricity vs. imported oil., jeff in MD really, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 07:03:11
- Domestic oil vs. imported oil, JerseySaab
, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:35:47
- Build ahead for downtime, + election year shenanigans., Norm9-5, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:19:38
- What I don't get is why people here hate the Volt, Noel, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:30:46
- Devil's Advocate: "Something like a $45,000 Cruze", Bill Homer, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:27:31 <-- Viewing This Message
- The Volt isn't an ROI sell, Pete Saab 9-3 9-7, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:45:34
- I get all that, and the Volt is definitely overpriced.., Noel, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:02:51
- Some people are committed early adopters., Cary, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:51:27
- Re: What I don't get is why people here hate the Volt, JohnA
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:25:56 - Re: What I don't get is why people here hate the Volt, jeff in MD, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:51:05
- How many could they sell at a profit?, JerseySaab
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:58:14 - great spin, jeff in MD, Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:53:06
- Re: great spin, friendofbear
, Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:14:41- They want the "free" money, Reality, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:33:41
- big loss per car sold, saabsince 93b
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:28:45 - big loss per car sold, saabsince 93b
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:20:57- Depends on how you account for the $$, Mark from Toronto, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:41:10
- GM's accounting is suspect, Bill Homer, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:18:55
- the analysis, saabsince 93b
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:36:58- Similar analysis will result in $200k losses on 9-5s., dmz789qqq, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 06:39:48
- Google, Norm9-5, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:10:06
- The analysis is hugley biased, Noel, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:50:55
- Re: the analysis, Simon S, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:53:16
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