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Re: Prius Plug-in Hybrid is not "the Prius"
Posted by Reality (more from Reality) on Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:46:09
In Reply to: Re: Prius Plug-in Hybrid is not "the Prius", No Snaab, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:24:09
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1. The Prius PHV base MSRP is $32k, about $8k less than that of the Volt
2. The regular non-plug-in Prius is another $10k or so less expensive.
3. No, I did not say that the Volt has the best battery. It has the most expensive battery pack, if one is interested in stealing battery packs for reselling their component material. It's just like if you are in the business of stealing catalytic converters for precious metal content, target either the biggest SUV's. That does not mean the biggest SUV's are the best cars on the road or even that they have the best catalytic converters. Their cats just have the most precious metal in them.
4. No, the main reason for buying hybrid is not the ability to run off the electric grid (or other electricity generator aside from the one that comes with the car). The overwhelming majority of hybrids sold up to this point can not run off the grid or other source of electricity at all. Conventional hybrids use less fuel than typical ICE-only cars even without pre-charging the batteries before the trip. That is, until cars like Volt and Karma (also taxpayer subsidized) strap on such a heavy battery pack that they actually under-perform conventional ice-only cars when the battery is fully drained, like on long distance driving.
5. Volt's fuel economy is atrocious when the distance traveled is longer than 38miles (and dropping from there as the battery charge capacity drops as time passes by). It only has "advantage" over the PriusPHV for someone who drives precisely more than 11 miles but less than 38 miles every day. PriuisPHV is much more fuel-efficient than Volt when outside this narrow window, or for some reason one forgets to plug the car in overnight.
6. The very fact that the public deems the resources going into making the Volt are worth more than the finished car itself is worth, should give you a hint that the car is quite out of running for any "best" except for best resource waster.
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Posts in this Thread:
- Chevy Volt outsells half of all US cars., JohnA
, Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:30:10- Why gasoline wins, JohnA
, Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:29:35 - Front half or back half? n/m, Cmyles
, Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:01:00 - Domestic electricity vs. imported oil., dmz789qqq, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 03:49:03
- By that logic, a sledge hammer can really add value, Tim, Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:00:08
- Re: Domestic electricity vs. imported oil., Ben, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:19:41
- By that logic, a sledge hammer can really add value, Reality, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:29:43
- I pity you ..., dmz789qqq, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:54:17
- You don't want to be confused by facts, Tim, Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:01:13
- You don't want to be confused by facts, Reality, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:57
- Here's a fact for you, Volt is cheaper than the Prius, No Snaab, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 04:54:38
- Uh oh! Tim and Reality are sharing identities again!, Noel, Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:26:01
- Someone is pretending to be Tim and copying my posts, Reality, Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:19:03
- actually, they DO have authorization, Tim, Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:26:51
- Re: actually, they DO have authorization, TML
, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:02:59 - There, Ridiculous has committed Identity Theft, Tim, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:05:33
- Re: There, Ridiculous has committed Identity Theft, Scott Paterson
, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:01:34 - Identity, uniqueness, freewill, etc..., Snowmobile
, Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:45:45
- Re: Domestic electricity vs. imported oil., jeff in MD really, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 07:03:11
- Domestic oil vs. imported oil, JerseySaab
, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:35:47
- Build ahead for downtime, + election year shenanigans., Norm9-5, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:19:38
- What I don't get is why people here hate the Volt, Noel, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:30:46
- Devil's Advocate: "Something like a $45,000 Cruze", Bill Homer, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:27:31
- The Volt isn't an ROI sell, Pete Saab 9-3 9-7, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:45:34
- I get all that, and the Volt is definitely overpriced.., Noel, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:02:51
- Some people are committed early adopters., Cary, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:51:27
- Re: What I don't get is why people here hate the Volt, JohnA
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 07:25:56 - Re: What I don't get is why people here hate the Volt, jeff in MD, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:51:05
- How many could they sell at a profit?, JerseySaab
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:58:14 - great spin, jeff in MD, Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:53:06
- Re: great spin, friendofbear
, Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:14:41- They want the "free" money, Reality, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:33:41
- big loss per car sold, saabsince 93b
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:28:45 - big loss per car sold, saabsince 93b
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:20:57- Depends on how you account for the $$, Mark from Toronto, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:41:10
- GM's accounting is suspect, Bill Homer, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:18:55
- the analysis, saabsince 93b
, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:36:58- Similar analysis will result in $200k losses on 9-5s., dmz789qqq, Mon, 24 Sep 2012 06:39:48
- Google, Norm9-5, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:10:06
- The analysis is hugley biased, Noel, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:50:55
- Re: the analysis, Simon S, Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:53:16
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