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Posted by jeff in MD really (more from jeff in MD really) on Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:29:29
In Reply to: Pennsylvania Price Gouging Act, davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:03:15
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I knew a lawyer could dig it up. Still waiting on info regarding actual convictions, or even just charges filed.
That law is clearly intended to apply to economic/civil emergency situations - "These periods of disruption result from many factors, including extreme weather conditions, depletion of stockpiles, labor strikes, civil disorder, natural or manmade emergencies or disasters and military action." While that is not exclusive language the intent is pretty clear. There are further explicit references to the establishment by the Governor of a "state of disaster emergency".
Next up is the evidence of "unconscionably excessive prices" - "It is prima facie evidence that a price is unconscionably excessive if, during and within 30 days of the termination of a state of disaster emergency, parties within the chain of distribution charge a price that exceeds an amount equal to or in excess of 20% of the average price at which the same or similar consumer goods or services were obtainable in the affected area during the last seven days immediately prior to the declared state of emergency.."
First, there's another explicit reference to a "state of disaster emergency" which the Saab spare parts situation certainly does not fit within. The mere fact that your friend was unable to source this item at any price in the days/weeks leading up to the sale in question indicates that establishing a "normal" price within the last 7 days would be difficult.
Next, under the "Nonapplicability" section, are listed some exclusions - "The provisions of this section shall not apply if the increase in price is due to a disparity that is substantially attributable to additional costs that arose within the chain of distribution in connection with the sale of consumer goods or services, including replacement costs, credit card costs, taxes and transportation costs."
Note the inclusion of replacement costs - since there are a precious few of these items available , Chad doesn't even know if he can get a replacement or what the cost would be.
So, nice try but it appears from my very non-professional reading of this statute that it would not apply in this case. Trying to give yourself an out by saying "I am not going to run through the entire act because I simply made a conclusion that Chad's price was high enough to raise the question of price gouging..." seems like a somewhat unethical thing for an attorney to do - make an accusation of criminal wrongdoing but not actually citing the statute in detail and couching it as "just raising the question".
No sir, you accused someone of a crime and are a dirtbag for not having the balls to stand behind that accusation.
jeff
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Posts in this Thread:
- I was told I'm a scammer..., Chadwick
, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:07:42- PA Price gouging statute is for state of emergencies!, Jas, Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:18:30
- Tallying up ... 243 responses., dmz789qqq, Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:45:05
- the only thing I see as a problem here, Dean C, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:57:07
- Is Fenway Park gouging me?, turrbo
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:11:12 - Is Eeuroparts gouging me?, dmz789qqq, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:23:26
- At least he didn't call you a fascist..., Dale, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:01:37
- 185 reply posts at this point, Gene N
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:54:15 - Chad, Can I buy you a beer? My indy's similarly . . ., Devin
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:50:09- I appreciate it, but it's not necessary., Chadwick
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:47:29 - Re: Chad, Can I buy you a beer? My indy's similarly . . ., Anil, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:48:26
- Anil, here's a bit of advice..., ELaw
, Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:44:27 - Re: Chad, Can I buy you a beer? My indy's similarly . . ., Son of Saab, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:26:11
- Re: Chad, Can I buy you a beer? My indy's similarly . . ., Anil, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:49:54
- STOP!!!!, ELaw
, Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:35:23 - Dude....READ THIS, IT"S IMPORTANT !!!!!!, Skip, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:01:38
- Re: Chad, Can I buy you a beer? My indy's similarly . . ., 93Vector, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:30:10
- Re: Chad, Can I buy you a beer? My indy's similarly . . ., Justin VanAbrahams
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:35:27 - Re: Chad, Can I buy you a beer? My indy's similarly . . ., dmz789qqq, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:03:20
- You know what is destroying this once great country?..., CarbonCombi, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:19:40
- Anil, make sure to read this thread!, dmz789qqq, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:14:14
- I still can't believe this ruckus is over $42.50, ToddInMA, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:43:49
- Re: I still can't believe this ruckus is over $42.50, Anil, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:52:25
- Serious question...really. Sort of., ToddInMA, Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:58:01
- Oh I see. You wanted this rare part at Chadwick's cost, Bill Homer, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:07:29
- Re: Oh I see. You wanted this rare part at Chadwick's cost, Anil, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:16:38
- Re: Oh I see. You wanted this rare part at Chadwick's cost, HudsonValleySaabguy, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:52:51
- Re: Oh I see. You wanted this rare part at Chadwick's cost, Snowmobile
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:31:32 - So, 25% markup is scamming?, Bill Homer, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:45:55
- Re: I still can't believe this ruckus is over $42.50, Rizzlius, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:54:28
- Middle button to the rescue ...., dmz789qqq, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:28:52
- .......................................after this ....., ponytrekker, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:38:44
- Re: .......................................after this ....., Son of Saab, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:38:28
- After you discovered the middle button?, dmz789qqq, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:38:05
- Re: .......................................after this ....., Son of Saab, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:37:58
- Re: .......................................after this ....., friendofbear
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:45:30
- Is this thread available as a "Book on Tape" yet? nm, B Millar
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:28:55- This thread wins for 'Most Epic Saabnet Thread Ever', Scott Paterson
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:25:20 - I am kinda hoping for a coffee table book..., Justin VanAbrahams
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:44:09 - Lawyer Dave is working out the contract details, PT, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:18:47
- Calling Judge Judy! Judge Judy to Saabnet please., John Myers, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:18:27
- some you should talk to DeBeers about gouging :) nm, Trev, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:42:59
- Somewhat OT, PT, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:42:10
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., JustinHiFi
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:31:31 - Re: Price Gouging definition quote..., Anil, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:03:32
- Re: A definition of 'Price Gouging'..., Anil, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:49:34
- Re: 9.3 SAI issue..., Anil, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:40:47
- Re: 9.3 SAI issue..., HUdsonValleySaabGuy, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:23:26
- LOL!!! all this for just $85! absolute pisser man! nm, sab, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:31:47
- Just wait until he gets a speeding ticket... nm, Simon S, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:53:24
- Actually Chad cried about his Speeding ticket here, Nader, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:31:04
- Re: Just wait until he gets a speeding ticket... nm, Anil, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:14:48
- Chad might have been wrong but he wasn't lying ..., dmz789qqq, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:17:13
- Re: Just wait until he gets a speeding ticket... nm, 93Vector, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:10:20
- Re: Just wait until he gets a speeding ticket... nm, HudsonValleySaabGuy, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 04:39:07
- Re: Just wait until he gets a speeding ticket... nm, Simon S, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:02:52
- Re: 9.3 SAI issue..., Snowmobile
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:19:22 - Re: 9.3 SAI issue..., John Myers, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:12:37
- Re: 9.3 SAI issue..., davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:01:45
- Re: 9.3 SAI issue..., ELaw
, Fri, 22 Jun 2012 05:17:21 - That makes him susceptible to ... fluctuations..., UpstateNY Bill, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:20:12
- Who da' judge here?, John Myers, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:06:16
- The car is NOT SITTING IDLE!!!, dmz789qqq, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:50:04
- Re: 9.3 SAI issue..., Chadwick
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:27:33
- Re: 9.3 SAI issue..., Chadwick
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:34:48
- I dont understand how any of this gouging talk applies?, Chadwick
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:52:08- Wait till he needs a hood for his car, Mike, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:35:29
- It is utter and complete B.S., JerseySaab
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:28:33- Exactly, Erik919kt, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:31:41
- So M.S.R.P. is now a law? who knew?, Mike, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:21:47
- Re: So M.S.R.P. is now a law? who knew?, davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:03:56
- Someone Better Tell Saab Parts Depts., Tulsaab
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:48:34 - Re: So M.S.R.P. is now a law? who knew?, Son of Saab, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:38:51
- Re: So M.S.R.P. is now a law? who knew?, Rita B, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:34:10
- So M.S.R.P. is now a law? who knew?, Mike, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:21:29
- You're right, Son of Saab, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:58:52
- Obvously you don't understand it, its nonsense. nm, Simon S, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:55:50
- Re: I dont understand how any of this gouging talk applies?, cryptical, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:55:42
- "I was wrong", Dale, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:21:16
- I appreciate all the feedback, Chadwick
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:16:00 - Pennsylvania Price Gouging Act, davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:03:15
- Re: Pennsylvania Price Gouging Act, TML
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:44:11 - Re: Pennsylvania Price Gouging Act, HudsonValleySaabGuy, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:06:39
- Re: Pennsylvania Price Gouging Act, Simon S, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:30:46
- Seven Days, DE
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:23:57 - Re: Pennsylvania Price Gouging Act, Son of Saab, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:20:34
- Is that statute lawful?, JerseySaab
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:22:12 - Correct me if I'm wrong.., Son of Saab, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:05:06
- Re: "unconscionably excessive", Rita B, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:35:29
- Re: "unconscionably excessive", davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:06:13
- Re: "unconscionably excessive", friendofbear
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:37:11 - Re: "unconscionably excessive", Rita B, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:35:42
- What??, ELaw
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:24:38- Re: What??, davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:14:48
- For you business ethics majors, davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:57:49
- What Anil clearly deserves..., JerseySaab
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:19:16 - Re: For you business ethics majors, Snowmobile
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:19:02- Re: For you business ethics majors, davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:31:23
- but, a couple things..., Snowmobile
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:49:00- Re: but, a couple things..., davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:49:56
- think about it another way..., Snowmobile
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:05:05 - Re: but, a couple things..., Snowmobile
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:48:58- Re: but, a couple things..., davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:04:21
- Re: but, a couple things..., friendofbear
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:37:48 - Re: but, a couple things..., Simon S, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:08:55
- exactly..., Snowmobile
, Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:17:07
- I should add..., Snowmobile
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:53:54
- I'll give it a shot..., Son of Saab, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:12:23
- I am a bit baffled., Justin VanAbrahams
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:35:38- Re: I am a bit baffled., davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:04:53
- You REALLY need to check the definition of duress., Son of Saab, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:15:21
- Re: You REALLY need to check the definition of duress., davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:33:13
- Re: You REALLY need to check the definition of duress., Mike Lewis, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:41:02
- +1. nm, Simon S, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:54:46
- Best post in this thread. (nm), turrbo
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:33:55 - The guy's obviously never met Dave Drake., John Myers, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:45:27
- Re: You REALLY need to check the definition of duress., Rita B, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:52:59
- Re: You REALLY need to check the definition of duress., davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:52:13
- Re: I'll give it a shot..., davidgmills, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:25:37
- Excellent!, jeff in MD really, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:29:29 <-- Viewing This Message
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., Steve in CT, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:25:20
- True colors, Dale, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:16:54
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., davidgmills, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:23:25
- Not enough sand., John Myers, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:11:55
- A lawyer postulating "price gouging" is price-gouging, Reality, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:05:15
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., Craig, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:03:09
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., turbocon86, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:26:09
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., orphancarfan, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:00:31
- A lawyer? Really?, Son of Saab, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:43:27
- price gouging eh?, jeff in MD really, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:17:57
- you sound like a complete idiot. n/m, JerryC, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:14:42
- Well then...., Skip, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:04:54
- In the name of all things holy..., PT, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:43:28
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., Snowmobile
, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:07:09 - Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., Mike, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:51:55
- Am glad I have a 1995 SAAB sometimes...., William, Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:29:35
- Long answer ... no, short answer instead, dmz789qqq, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:49:02
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., PGAero
, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:15:57
- recall package and refund the jerks money, ryan
, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:47:12 - Sounds like sour grapes...., Skip, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:43:24
- I almost joined Google+ just to ding his review..., Scott Paterson
, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:32:51 - Or........, MI-Roger
, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:09:03 - That is totally lame..., Tulsaab
, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:07:11 - Some people will never be happy, PT, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:35:35
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., TML
, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:59:42 - I knew it!, Justin VanAbrahams
, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:56:44 - Some people are just jerks..., dmz789qqq, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:51:13
- Re: I was told I'm a scammer..., pete
, Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:49:21
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