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Re: how can you argue with actual data!?!?
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Posted by perkj [Email] (more from perkj) on Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:39:44 Share Post by Email
In Reply to: Re: how can you argue with actual data!?!?, 95power, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:37:20
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ok, this is getting lame, but here we go again:

"1. T7 adaption issues. It is quite possible, that T7 was not adapted for max power output after normal city driving. In these case, at least one run is needed ( for adaption ) before making any comparison runs."

you answered you own question here 'It is quite possible'. Before making statements you should do your do-dilegance and follow up with MP on this. Right now its a "what if" and since your trying to prove the actual data wrong, then go follow up to see what is fact vs. what it "possibley is"


"2. There was several days between these two runs. Were the conditions comparable at all ? AFAIK dyno was the same, what about tires, tire pressures etc ? "
Dude, I provided this data and I know for a fact you looked at this b/c you responded to my post (http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/bb/performance/index.html?bID=87229). I highly doubt they changed the tire size, and the 5 day difference I don't think is going to effect HP enough to show a 15 hp difference. Here is the data again for weather conditions as a refresher for ya:

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Data from Colorado Springs, CO at 6184 feet:

12/2 at 12:00pm
Outside temp: 32F
Presure: 30.30 in
Humidity: 35%

12/7 at 10:30 am
Outside temp: 38.1 F
Presure: 29.97 in
Humidity: 38%


Pluging these numbers into a 'relative hp calculator' (http://www.csgnetwork.com/relhumhpcalc.html) I got the following:


12/2 Relative HP = 83.9% of max hp
12/7 Relative HP = 82.1% of max hp


From this you will see the MP downpipe was at a disadvantage given the weather conditions but still pulled higher HP numbers.
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"3. Based on this one dyno run with this specific car, one can not say anything, which may be used for marketing purposes. Inappropriate testing was done, and the knowledge of MP Performance with T7 is not adequate. Results presented were misleading, because many readers can think, that they can make some real gains with their t7 cars by just modifying HW. With real gains I mean power increase, which can be measured as final speed of the quarter mile. Graphs presented have no value, what comes to realibility ( IMHO 200miles test drives without CEL are not adequate at all, it seems to me that these guys are just amateurs like myself ) , drivability ( boost spikes ) and performance."
Come on man....every NHRA team dyno's their motors before ever seeing a track and so do all the top Saab tuners. This is just a BS statement.....graphs provide very excellent data that is usable in tuning as car to prove what does and doesn't work. I for one can say this....my brother, friend and I build a world record holding FWD '77 VW Rabbit in the 1/4 mile. Engine is a 2032cc, normally asperated, 8 valve motor running 12.201 at 109 mph (115mph best) with 1.64 sixty foots. http://www.watercooled.com/all_motor/
They've provided the data showing this is an increase in HP over stock with only the addition of a DP....if YOU think this is incorrect, YOU have the responsibility to provide data refrutting it. If they showed 10 runs all showing power increase would you finally agree? If not 10, 20? 30? 40? 1000?, etc? Ball is in your court man.....go buy a DP, slap it on a stocker and run the dyno to prove you get no increase over stock. Back yourself up with real data, not just words my man....like MP did.

I'm done with you.


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