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I should have added, "and have seen very nice gains too".

But anyway, I'm glad that you can read my mind and know what my final intentions are for the car. :)

Software is in the works and I'm build towards something.

But for my car, which is at around 280 HP WITHOUT software mods, I'm pretty happy. I fail to see how I've wasted any money by freeing more flow, increasing overall VE, and gaining as much HP as some cars have after software. Did you read the part about engine variances in the other posts? I test drove a bunch of cars and bought this one on the spot.

And really, the only reason software is a concern at this point is because I'm on the threshhold of running out of fuel due to injector capacity.

The real and correct way to mod any car is to address any flow issues that you can. After that you optimize with custom tuning. Software tuning is not a magic pill and doing that first is a great way to spend a lot of unnecessary money on re-burn after re-burn as more mods are added. In the meantime, you're decreasing your efficiency by adding heat and creating unnecessary strain. For example, yes, you can raise your boost and run a stock downpipe...everyone knows what that's doing to your EGT's and efficiency.

IMO, anyone who tells you otherwise either doesn't know any better or is trying to sell you some parts.

If you doubt me I'll pick you-up, or anyone else for that matter, at Geroge Bush International here in Houston and you can take it for a spin. Wasted money? Naw--I can break both front tires loose in 2nd just about anytime I want and it's warm down here; did it last night in 78 degree temperature in fact. Occasionally 3rd on highway on-ramps at +70 mph on nice cool days (dry road) will break a tire loose. I fail to see how I've wasted any money. There are many many cars that are waaaay faster, but my point is that flow related hardware mods-only are not only worthwhile but in fact should be done first.

What is your specific experience regarding hardware installation without software to go with it? How many times have you paid someone to re-burn a chip for you after you've changed something on your car?


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• About the custom HW parts, Vigge, Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:41:05
  • 95power, Drew in Houston, Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:45:04
    • Re: 95power, Drew in Houston, Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:02:38
  • Re: About the custom HW parts, Drew in Houston, Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:22:31
    • Here you go, Vigge, Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:19:50
    • No gains at all, Drewey !, 95power, Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:27:07
      • Do you have a memory retention problem? :), Drew in Houston, Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:12:44
  • Olli, I'm not as familiar w/t7's as I am...., zeke, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:00:58
  • Drew, do you have an OBD logger?, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:22:16
    • Re: Drew, do you have an OBD logger?, Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:15:26
      • I have just the right file for you :), Vigge, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:50:26
        • Re: I have just the right file for you :), Drew in Houston, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:16:39
          • Drew, your 234 whp plot ?, 95power, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:37:22
            • See below....., CJH, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:48:56
              • Re: See below....., 95power, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:22:57
  • Why do ME7's see HP gains from HW only?, perkj, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:58:04
    • perkj, I haven't read the Autoweek article that you, zeke, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:42:54
    • link to ME7 article showing how similar it is to T7, perkj, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:47:03
  • What?, Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:53:56
    • Re: What?, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:24:16
      • Re: What?, Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:27:45
        • Re: What?, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:26:06
          • About the dyno plot, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:11:42
          • You still have not addressed your PID comment., Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:01:08
            • re: You still have not addressed your PID comment, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:56:27
          • Re: What?, Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:37:20
            • Drew, your 236 whp plot?, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:04:15
              • Re: Drew, your 236 whp plot?, Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:21:17
                • Found this but ´what about your current, Vigge, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:43:01
                  • Re: Found this but ´what about your current, Drew in Houston, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 05:24:42
                    • Dear Drew, Vigge, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:18:00
                      • Vigge, you offer quite a bit of insight..., CJH, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:17:14
                      • Re: Dear Drew, Drew in Houston, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:06:24
                        • Your punch line, Vigge, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:19:01
                          • Re: Your punch line, Drew in Houston, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:09:58
                            • Me, upset, why?, Vigge, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:45:32
                        • Re: Dear Drew, Vigge, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:53:15
                          • Oh Vigge, Drew in Houston, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:59:32
                            • Round of applauses, Vigge, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:23:49
                              • Thank you, Drew in Houston, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:04:25
                                • Re: Thank you, Vigge, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:30:06
                                  • You need to pay closer attention to detail, Drew in Houston, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:08:58
                                    • Re: You need to pay closer attention to detail, Vigge, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:36:39
                                      • Re: You need to pay closer attention to detail, Drew in Houston, Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:15:39
                                        • About your data, Vigge, Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:52:00
                                        • Re: You need to pay closer attention to detail, Drew in Houston, Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:21:25
                                • Re: Thank you, Drew in Houston, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:57:39
                                  • People lear, you know, Vigge, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:50:42
                            • Hey Drew, being an english major must.., zeke, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:28:27
                              • Re: Hey Drew, being an english major must.., Drew in Houston, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:34:41
                                • Re: Hey Drew, being an english major must.., Vigge, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:25:16
                                  • Re: Hey Drew, being an english major must.., Drew in Houston, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:19:29
                                    • Re: Hey Drew, being an english major must.., Vigge, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:45:43
                              • ...not so fast there, perkj, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:19:49
                                • Re: ...not so fast there, Vigge, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:49:26
                                  • how can you argue with actual data!?!?, perkj, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:55:49
                                    • Re: how can you argue with actual data!?!?, 95power, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:37:20
                                      • Re: how can you argue with actual data!?!?, perkj, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:39:44
                                        • correction to above...., perkj, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:42:04
                                          • Aswer this question once for all, Vigge, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:53:14
                                            • Re: Aswer this question once for all, perkj, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:15:49
                                              • I really hope, Vigge, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:32:29
                                                • Re: I really hope, perkj, Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:49:45
                      • Re: Dear Drew, perkj, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:40:13
                        • Bosch ME7, Vigge, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:05:57
                          • Re: Bosch ME7, perkj, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:35:29
                            • Re: Bosch ME7, Vigge, Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:51:08
                    • Re: Found this but ´what about your current, 95power, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:30:51
            • One more for the MAF, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:45:43
              • Okay, Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:08:19
              • another way to think about it, perkj, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:45:55
          • can you post all dyno results w/what HW was on during, perkj, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:45:06
            • I will dig up the files that I have, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:57:26
              • 8 runs found, will scan tomorrow N/M, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:20:57
                • Here are the files, vigge, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:33:18
        • Re: What?, 95power, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:23:10
          • Re: What?, Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:57:16 <-- Viewing This Message
            • drew....what have you added?, perkj, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:09:07
              • Re: drew....what have you added?, Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:44:46
      • I think I understand your basic premise, please...., MI-Roger , Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:24:44
        • Re: I'm with you MI-Roger, damien, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:39:07
          • Re: I'm with you MI-Roger, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:43:46
  • You have managed to confuse me,......, MI-Roger , Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:34:12
    • Here you go, Vigge, Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:16:59
      • ...this is true for all engine mgmt systems, perkj, Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:15:38
        • Re: ...this is true for all engine mgmt systems, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:03:47
    • Re: You have managed to confuse me,...(addressing #2), perkj, Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:50:07
  • Correction....T7 does use both air mass AND pressure, perkj, Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:03:27
    • Oh dear, some food for thought:, Adrian W, Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:59:17
    • Not so fast, Vigge, Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:04:30
      • BUT WAIT...WIS corrects you again., perkj, Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:44:50
        • Re: BUT WAIT...WIS corrects you again., 95power, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:45:05
          • Re: BUT WAIT...WIS corrects you again., Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:51:46
            • Re: BUT WAIT...WIS corrects you again., 95power, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:11:59
              • Re: BUT WAIT...WIS corrects you again., Drew in Houston, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:15:01
                • I'm in full agreement w/everything you stated (n/m), perkj, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:44:42
        • WIS is not a bible, Vigge, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:43:35
          • agreed, but...., perkj, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:57:12
            • I think one should have fun #1 but :-), jak , Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:54:30
  • Re: About the custom HW parts, BrianS, Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:12:02
    • Re: About the custom HW parts, 95power, Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:39:01
  • Re: About the custom HW parts, 95power, Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:00:59

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